Curse

Shakkara · Nov 09, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

*gets to drawing*

More contests are good! And fun!

Don't whine and complain, if you don't like it, just pass on it, there will be something else you like in the future

BenjZee · Nov 09, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

----I HAVE EDITED MY POST----
i think it would be for the best if i deleted my ideas. some of you already read them

I can't be bothered to this design but ill tell u a good design would be an emperor penguin cap

Inniss · Nov 09, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Yay! Just the inspiration I needed to get some drawing done. I would prefer a finalist prize, but it'd be a big self-confidence boost to see my work in-game.

Always fun looking at all the creative entries when they get put up on the competition page too. I'm still chuckling a bit from the Charr dressed as Gwen plushie.

Saraphim · Nov 09, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01

Might actually enter this one for a change, although I already have an Antec 900 case anyway.

Solas · Nov 09, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

Is it for idea or for the result?

as in if i draw a bad picture (with my crayons), while another guy has same idea but brilliant artistic value will he get the win on that alone?

and is it one hat for BOTH or 1 hat each? as in dwayna and grenth hat or 1 hat for dwayna and one for grenth?

Big_Iron · Nov 09, 2007, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Stick figures are more than fine.

Good to know. I'm in then. Though, I'm sure the same idea will be submitted by about 1000 other people...but you never know.

Smile Like Umean It · Nov 09, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

And guys, while a nicely drawn graphic is appreciated, the real point is to get your ideas across so that the artists can take it from there. Stick figures are more than fine.

And I'm back in the running!

lakatz · Nov 09, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmithyBen

Perhaps a [edited out]?
....................................lol no offence to [edited out] but wouldnt that be creepy, still a great idea. Will have a whole town of [edited out] running around. A [edited out] hat would also rule. OMG I CANT ENTER but someone has got to send in an entrance for [edited out]!!
[edited out]

!!!

C'MON PEOPLE [edited out] FTW!!!! enter the idea please. i dont care if i dont get recognition. this idea has got to happen

You're coming up with some good ideas. Not that I'm keen on encouraging the competition, but you should really pull out your stick figure drawing kit and get these ideas down and send them in yourself.

EDIT: I've edited out the ideas SmithyBen presented in the post I quoted since he's entering the contest after all!

Darksun · Nov 09, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

artists should boycott these "contests" to make the developers pay real illustrators who make a living at this what they're worth, instead of seeking out freebies from hobbyists.

You have reached the height of ignorance. If you had ANY concept whatsoever of how much talent the Artist at ANET have, you'd beat yourself for saying that.

As Mordakai pointed out, ANET has other professional artist going ga-ga with their concept art.

you're talking out your ass.

Kha · Nov 09, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

but if you really think that they are doing this to save any money, then dont enter and save them even more money by not haveing to judge your pic

Yes people, listen to these words! The less there is to judge, the better my chances are. I already sent my drawing in and now I must wait patiently for what will feel like an eternity. I'm still heartbroken my weapon design didn't do good but I have hopes for my Wintersday hat!

BenjZee · Nov 09, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by lakatz

You're coming up with some good ideas. Not that I'm keen on encouraging the competition, but you should really pull out your stick figure drawing kit and get these ideas down and send them in yourself.

Shame i can't though. I dont like giving my address and stuff out

maybe i could enter? doubt id actually win. I could be honourable mention and end up getting a access code ...hm.

EDITTT!!!
They only send stuff in mail if you win don't they? theyd probably be some other winner than me. ive just drawn 4 designs

which i think are great. im crap at drawing but they look funny. especially with bad colouring. BTW i deleted my ideas from earlier in the post because its good if people came uip with there own ideas and not copy mine.
the person who quoted me could remove what i wrote lol i would be very greatful. ok ive done loads designs. which one to send. I will upload all the ones i have left on wintersday,

BTW i cant remember if it was mentioned but could we please not have the winner announced until the actual hat giving. This would make the hat more of a surprise.

EDIT AGAIN:
Hey people at Anet if your reading this

I hope you like my submission ive just sent. The look on your faces will be priceless when you see it. I also made loads of other things. Shame its one entry per person. Ill just have to upload the rest on the forum of where people usually post after a contest has finished

Nov 11, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

At least this contest won't have winners that simply copy a GW costume and make it. This one will take actual creativity instead of lame cosplaying.

drago34 · Nov 11, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

One of the artists predicted someone would say this.

This is not an evil ploy to exploit the masses to get "free art." This contest is taking a LOT of machinations on our part to fit it into the artists schedule. In truth, we already have a Grenth hat designed and ready to go. But in order to offer this opportunity, because we thought it would be cool and inclusive (and because several players had suggested it) the art team is willing to look over probably hundreds of entries and use one entered by a player, rather than the already-completed, already "paid for" art.

It is far, far more time-consuming, difficult, and expensive--in time and in actual dollars--for us to offer this contest than to simply do it ourselves.

Your post is truly unfair.

@Gaile: How do you not lose it with all the crap that gets thrown your way whenever you guys try to do something nice or special for the community?

On topic-ish: I think that this is something cool for the community, people always complain about what they would have liked to see as masks. Instead of complaining draw it and send it in. If you can't draw then why do you honestly care whether or not this contest exists? Don't participate if you don't like it or want to, no one is forcing you to. So if you don't like it don't do it but at the same time you don't need bitch about it. I swear this community seems like it has turned so negative about everything.
/endrant

Now to end on a positive note haha. I have no artistic talent but my brother on the other hand is an amazing artist so I'm going to make sure I tell him about this. Thanks for the opportunity.

Posting at 2:00 in the morning= lots of errors lol.

Nian · Nov 11, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51

I haven't entered any official contests so far...so this might be interesting. I really like Grenth and Wintersday is probably my favourite ingame holiday. Great Horns of Grenth are also my favourite party hat to date! Wonder if I can come up with something relating to the history before Exodus. That could be interesting. And I hope by no means does the GW team and Gaile think that we don't appreciate these contests 'cause we really do! Not all of us think negatively or think that we are being used infact I lollered when I read that... XD

I personally also appreciate that the GW team does not nessecarily look at skill in technique but rather the visions that people have, the ideas and the whole product. People often miss this point. It's not about your artistic talent and often I see a variety of people with different "levels of talent" being chosen as inspiration. Which is exactly the right attitude I would expect from Anet team. People with a vision should not be afraid to make their vision a reality using any means nessecary. Anet is one of the only few game companies around that I find actually "listens to fans". It may be a rough course sometimes because people LOVE to complain but I hope this company never changes their attitude toward game making. :]

P.S. Having typos sometimes is not something to be scorned about. I think it's funny. It shows that people write the articles and it actually makes me feel more comfy to be around because people make mistakes, it's only natural.

ValaOfTheFens · Nov 11, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

I'm entering this one. Wintersday is one of my fav events and designing the Grenth hat would be pretty cool. I'm glad drawing skill isn't a big factor. Though my design isn't exactly rocket science.

Trub · Nov 11, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

I'm really excited to see what comes from this!
Alot of the players in the GW community are VERY creative...this is going to be good!!!
Hop to it guys! (and gals!)

chowmein69 · Nov 11, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

this is gonna be fun

CHunterX · Nov 11, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Why isn't this on the Announcements Screen at the Login?

Nian · Nov 11, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Mmmmhmmm...anyone else want to kiss Anet's tailside?

Sorry, I just don't agree with it. I've seen way too many companies skip good talent(not my own, I have no talent in this field) just to save a dime and go with some undercharging twit just doing it for fun, and end up getting garbage material way too late for them to fix their goof.

Sure, I don't have to do it. I won't do it. I wouldn't do it if I had the talent. If someone else wants to do it for free, that's fine...but I feel that anyone with any talent shouldn't spend one minute on free work for any profitable business, whether it'll be directly used to generate profit or not. To do so would be to disenfranchise those who do this kind of work for a living. Just because they pay an art staff, doesn't mean anything. Putting ideas down on paper out of thin air is different from taking that original idea and putting it into tangible code for a game. I'll stand by my belief though that this miniscule payment of bits and bytes on a computer server that will likely be gone forever in a few years for original work is just a bit too hard to swallow.

Jaded, maybe. Ignorant...nah. That title is reserved for the blind fanbois I see on this site bending over to kiss the feet of Gaile Gray every chance they get...sorry guys, but Gaile is merely being paid to keep you guys happy with the "personal attention" you're getting from Anet staff. It's called PR. They get paid to pour honey into your ear while the company is removing cash from your pocket.

I'll pose a question to you guys:

How often does Anet do something for their playerbase like this without expecting anything in return? Sure they're a business, businesses make money. But saying this then saying that they don't mean to swindle artists out of their intellectual property is hypocrisy. Ok, maybe that was a little unfair and unbalanced...but either they're a business and are in it merely to make money, or they give free stuff away to the player base. Which is it? Surely not the latter. the asura, destroyer, ceratadon(don't tell me that free online magazine didn't pay Anet for the ability to give away a mini in-game, which in turn netted them thousands and thousands of new potential readers in under a week), all the other mini giveaways all required something of yours to obtain in return. I don't expect free stuff, but don't expect me to give something worth much more than a mini asura in an online fantasy game for free that can directly be used to create a feature in said profitable game.

They're just playing the kiddies who really don't see the idea of intellectual property as a tangible thing that can be potentially profitable. They offer up something that people go ga-ga for in the game, and merely require a submission of VALUABLE original idea and intellectual property, of course signing over full rights to said material. If they truly were an evil company, they could use that specific style (assuming it's not stick-art) to claim right to any other "derivative work" that artist does that resembles the work done for this company and now owned by this company unequivocably in full according to the contract one agrees to when a submission is made.

I feel that response about even stick-art being acceptable is merely a knee-jerk response from the PR crew to discredit my opinion. Not specifically MY opinion...I'm not paranoid...but the opinion of any naysayer who may have the brains to point out something like this. She even said they thought this concern would be brought up...why would they expect this concern if it wasn't a valid one? If it's a concern the art department was able to think of, then it's a valid concern. "What if someone says this?" "Well just tell them this and all the loyal thoughtless sheeple player kiddies out there will instantly agree with us, the Generous art department of a profitable company giving them a free Mini Asura(or a possible Mini Oni, big e-buckeroos there kids)."

I'm sure you also understand that organizing a fan competition like this is not exactly about "using free talent". Naturally this competition will only create more work for the team instead of making it easier... If you have ever glimpsed at the official GW art releases the team has put up on Conceptart.org forums you should be aware that the last thing the GW team is lacking is ideas and concepts. Usually the actual employees would work under very strict guidelines when creating a new ingame element. Most of them are most likely either capable of rendering 3D or experienced with the process to be able to understand it and produce an element that will also work in the actual 3D environment. What about us fans? We are purely ignorant of such guidelines and factors! We just do whatever we wanna! It's the problem of the GW team to actually re-design the element to fit the actual game environment. That equals more work and time wasted than just letting someone who already has the better knowledge to just do it. Please don't undermind this.

I'm not just some kiss-ass fool however.
I am personally WELL aware of how it's commonplace that artists and designers are being tricked into signing unfair contracts demanding them to give up all their rights to their work and even digital rights nowdays. And companies will and do resort to telling these artists that they can always get some student to do it for them for free if you don't do it. Big companies DO take advantage of poor designers, unemployed artists, ignorant ones, students etc. to get work done for almost free and designers nowdays are probably not respected as much as they might have been in the past. This is fact. It's also a fact that there are a lot of artists out there who have no clue about their rights and do get taken advantage of this way. I have seen quite a few of these types of "contests" even where a company basically wants students to design something VERY important for them for a low one-time fee(contest price) and then the company will go on using these hot logos and designs for YEARS without ever having to pay royalties to the original creator. I get these emails almost daily...I'm a (media/graphics/3D)student afterall. And I admit they are tempting for a little pocket money! But usually I'm too busy and I just ignore it all. Accepting such deals does damage not only to yourself but other artists aswell. Don't think I don't know this.

However I see no connection here and in this particular contest organized by GW staff. I really don't and I'm definatelly a natural skeptic. The kind of rip-off contests are always much more demanding and blatant than what this contest is at all. We are only lead with a vague "it's wintersday and grenth themed" guideline and basically we can do just about anything in any medium we choose. They are not going to be using it without some work and effort from their part, it's not free for them.

Kha · Nov 11, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Jaded, maybe.

Jaded? Definitely. You admit to having no talent in this field - don't try to judge and understand why those that do like to enter stuff like this. It's not like they're asking for us to design them a whole realm/area to sell as an expansion. It's a contest to design a simple hat for Wintersday. Sure, plenty of big businesses take advantage of free artists and their work. Big businesses are always trying to take advantage of others. Just because you may not like ANet or GW, doesn't mean they are like that.

Plenty of people have seen nothing wrong with these contests to think that ANet is here to steal all of our artwork. Don't assume everyone is ignorant and needs the guidance of a messenger like you to bring them to the light. You make it sound like you "care" about young artists, when really your post is nothing but bashing ANet and other companies/businesses.